Rosario's response & Why collaboration adds value.

the photo is of my sister in our yard in New Haven. My dad "grew roses" & I grow antique roses.  

The Yale campus would be straight behind her - about a mile and a half (if that).  

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I meander - and recently this has led me to work on A to L dos Santos & 1855 - 1865 deaths at the same time. 

I  consult  - and since around  2017 I  have often consulted with Rosario on certain confusing info that I have found. 

Today these two things  (meandering & consulting) came together to provide an interesting "thumbnail" regarding the lives of two middle 1800's  Sao Nicolau residents. 

I wrote to Rosario (on our CV DNA page) and I said that I had found a death certificate that was somewhat unusual - that while I understood the basics of the record, the priest had seemed to provide much more information than usual.. 

She responded.  But first let us look at what I had done on my own -- before today -- so that you can see how collaboration adds value. 

I had a 9/1856 record - page 38 in the doRosarioObits1855-1865 volume.  Thee record indicated that JULIA SOARES RAMOS of Boa Vista, had died in 9/56 of CHOLERA, & that she was the wife of Jose Pinto dos Santos of Rio Grande. No age was given and no other information about relatives or the number of children that she "left" behind was given. 

As of today I had already done research on a # of men named Jose Pinto dos Santos.

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JOSE PINTO dos SANTOS

I have found 6 of them:  

(1)  Husband of Maria Jose de Carvalho, s/o Jose Pinto dos Santos & Maria Sousa Pinto 

(2) Husband of Maria Sousa Pinto, father of  Jose Pinto dos Santos (h/o Maria Jose de Carvalho).

(3)  Husband of Hermelinda Joaquim de Menenzes & he is from BRAZIL; Father of Jose Pinto dos Santos (who was md to Amelia Pinto dos Santos).     

(4)  Husband of Amelia Maria da Luz Pinto dos Santos / Amelia Pinto dos Santos  & Son of Jose Pinto dos Santos & Hermelinda Joaquina de Menenzes

(5)  Husband of Julia Soares dos Santos of Rio Grande (5)  Husband of Eugenia Teixiera Pinto of FOGO 

(6)  Husband of Eugenia Teixiera Pinto of FOGO

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(1)  Jose Pinto dos Santos  b. probably around or before 1840    ---   Husband of Maria Jose de Carvalho --- Son of Jose Pinto dos Santos & Maria Sousa Pinto ---   doRMats1885-93 - 26/20 - On 6/26/1886, Pedro Jose Pinto, 23y, “Delegado da Junta ...”, (s/o Jose Pinto dos Santos & Maria da Sousa Pinto - who were proprietarios) md Maria Jose de Carvalho, 19y (d/o Jose Antonio de Carvalho, proprietario & Maria Dias de Faria Carvalho (deceased)), w -  Pedro Rodrigues de Castro, md, proprietario & Jose Fernandes Hermogenes, md, proprietario. 

(2)  Jose Pinto dos Santos  b. probably around or before 1820 -- Husband of Maria Sousa Pinto, Father of Jose Pinto dos Santos (who was md to Maria Jose de Carvalho). 

(3) Jose Pinto dos Santos - b. probably around or before _____ --- Husband of Hermelinda Joaquina de Menezes/Menenzes, Father of Jose Pinto dos Santos (who was md to Amelia Pinto dos Santos).  

 (4)  Jose Pinto dos Santos  b. 1817, d. 6/15/1897 ---   Husband of Amelia Maria da Luz Pinto dos Santos / Amelia Pinto dos Santos--- Son of Jose Pinto dos Santos & Hermelinda Joaquina de Menenzes ---   Father of  Julia Amelia Pinto  (b. 1865   d.    )   ---   Father in law of Antonio Lessa da Silva  (b. 1864  d.     )        *****    

da LMats1866-86 - 24/8 - On 1/8/1872, Boaventura Antonio Fortes, 30, of SANTO ANTAO (s/o Antonio Fortes Boaventura & Maria Josepha Delgado) md Antonia Margarida Lopes, 30, (d/o Margarida Antonia Lopes), w -  Jose Pinto dos Santos & Raphael Tavares Correa & Jose Lopes da Silva. doRMats 1874-82 - 140/3 - On 1/31/1880, Antonio Joaquim Almeida, single, no age given,  (s/o Margarida Maria do Livramento) md Maria Antonia Lopes, no age given, single, (d/o Miguel Lopes Martins & Antonia Margarida Neves), gods - Jose Pinto dos Santos & Antonio Manoel dos Reis. doRMats1891-1900 -  9/4 - On 2/7/1891, Theodore Antonio Gomes, 29, a maritmo/seaman, (s/o Antonio Manoel Gomes & Maria Margarida Soares) md Felippa Piedade Silva, 30, from Juncalinho (d/o Maria Piedade da Luz (d)), w -  Vicente Jose Cardoso & Jose Pinto dos Santos.    daLObits1890-1901 - 69/69 - On 6/15/1897, Jose Pinto dos Santos died at 80y, proprietario, from Brazil, h/o Amelia Pinto dos Santos, (s/o Jose Pinto dos Santos & Hermelinda Joaquina de Menenzes).   do RMats1891-1900 -  79/45 - On 7/27/1898, Antonio Lessa da Silva, 34, (s/o Thereza Maria de Jesus) md Julia Amelia Pinto, 23, (d/o Jose Pinto dos Santos (d) & Amelia Maria da Luz Pinto) w -  Antonio Lopes da Silva & Alberto de Carvalho Silva.   

(5)   Jose Pinto dos Santos - b around 1930  --- of RIO GRANDE, BRAZIL  - Husband of Julia Soares dos Santos,  Father of Maria (b. 1/5/1852)  & Carolina (b. 3/12/1854, d.     )   *****     doRBaps1842-52 - 295/  On 1/31/1852, Maria was bap., b. 1/5/1852,  d/o Jose Pinto dos Santos & Julia Soares dos Santos.      doRBaps1852-64, 19/ - On 7/10/1853, Joanna was bap, B. 7/1/1853, d/o Nicolau Antonio Duarte & Maria Narcisa Duarte, gods - Joze Pindo dos Santos.of Rio Grande & Maria Rosa da Conceicao.   doRBaps1852-64 - 31/-  On 3/25/1854, Carolina was bap, b. 3/12/1854, d/o Jose Pinto dos Santos & Julia Soares dos Santos, gods - Nicolau Antonio Duarte & Anna Lopes de Almeida*.

(6)  Jose Pinto dos Santos - probably b. around 1830  -- Husband of Eugenia Teixiera Pinto of FOGO --- *****     doRObits1855-65 - 51/-  On 5/15/1860, Eugenia Teixiera Pinto of Fogo died, w/o Jose Pinto dos Santos. 

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the Jose Pinto dos Santos who were godfathers or witnesses without other identifying information: doRBaps52-64 - 120/-   On 7/3/59,  Florentina was bap, b. 5/27/1859, d/o Carlos Fermino & Barbara Clara de Brito, gods - Jose Pinto dos Santos & Antonia Maria da Conceicao.

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So, while some of these Jose Pinto dos Santos may be duplicates we are clearly dealing with # (5).  

Rosario's response was: 

"Yes, this is a complicated one.  It says:  On 23 sep 1856 during the cholera epidemic aboard the Schooner Saciedade (?) going from this island to Santiago, Julia Soares Ramos died due to the said cholera according to the information of trustworthy persons. She was from Boa Vista, married to Jose Pinto dos Santos from Rio Grande do Sul (Brazil).  I sign this record by permission of the Reverend Bishop of the Diocese of Sao Nicolau Island, 18 september 1858".

It should be noted that the Priest for do Rosario also succumbed to CHOLERA in 9/1856 & that might be why many of the death certifications were delayed.   

THANKS SO MUCH ROSARIO!!!!! 

 *  Note that Anna Lopes de Almeida was often a godmother.